This document is a podcast transcript featuring an interview with Dr. Lisa Marie Lee, who discusses the importance of data in evaluating Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives. Dr. Lee shares her background in the military and how it shaped her understanding of measurement and data analytics in the workplace. She emphasizes the need for organizations to assess not only demographic data but also the feelings and behaviors of employees to truly understand the impact of DEI efforts. The conversation touches on the Kirkpatrick Four Levels of Evaluation, which provides a framework for measuring the effectiveness of training and initiatives. Dr. Lee explains that organizations must be willing to confront barriers such as fear and resistance to change, and highlights the role of leaders in fostering open communication and accountability. The discussion also addresses the necessity of demonstrating the value of DEI initiatives in measurable terms to ensure their sustainability and effectiveness in the workplace.